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to dominate his second. that is the nation's debt and deficit. we already reached the $16 trillion debt limit set by congress. treasury secretary tim geithner says his accounting tricks and maneuvers can only buy us a couple more months the president wants to call on congress to raise the debt ceiling without drama. he says even the threat, note to raise the debt ceiling could cause a down-tick in the nation's credit rating as it did in 2011. republicans are determined to use that leverage. it may be the only leverage they have to raise the nation's debt ceiling. in the past it has worked to demand spending cuts in exchange for raising the nation's debt ceiling. they intend to do it this time. heather? heather: a lot going on in washington. we hear rumors the president may address the issue of immigration reform. that may be one of the top priorities of his administration. is he expected to talk about that? >> reporter: perhaps but even before that the president is likely to be asked about efforts to curb the nation's gun violence with vice president biden set to give recommendations to the p
for the middle class is shrinking our deficit and a balanced and responsible way. for nearly two years now i have been fighting for such a plan, one that would reduce the opposite by four trillion dollars over the next decade, which would stabilize the debt and deficit in a sustainable way for the next decade. that would be enough not only to stop the growth of our debt relative to the size of the economy, but make it manageable so it does not crowd out the investments we need to make in people and education and job training in science and medical research, all the things that help us grow. step-by-step we have made progress towards that goal. over the past two years i have signed into law 1.4 trillion dollars in spending cuts. two weeks ago i signed more than $600 billion in new revenue by making sure the wealthiest americans began to pay their fair share. when you add the money we will save an interest payments on debts, altogether that adds up to a total of 2.5 trillion dollars in deficit reduction over the past three years. not counting the $400 billion already saved from winding down and get
it back. >>> time 7:17. some fall lists -- 7:10. some analysts say california's budget deficit could possibly be solved by getting oil out of shale in monterey. the monterey shale runs from los angeles to san francisco and macon obtain more than 400 billion barrels of oil. but getting it out, that's tricky. because of the san andre causes fault, the shale rock is not flat so drilling for oil is difficult. however, the u.s. energy information estimates more than $15 -- more than 15 billion barrels of oil can be recovered using new technology. >>> 7:11. how to move forward. the big debate taking place in newtown, connecticut, one month after the tragic school shooting. >> also, what will lance armstrong say? new details about his big interview with oprah just hours away. >>> it's cold out there. lots of upper 20s, 30s. doesn't matter. some of the wind chills in the teens. it will be sine but it is a little -- sunny but it is a little breezy. >>> one month after the newtown, connecticut shooting people there are now talking about what should be done with the building to sandy hook eleme
's not a quote median-term deficit reduction plan put in place. what will it take to get a deal? we start with dan gross. his latest piece is titled "obama brinksmanship puts gop in tough spot on debt ceiling." so dan, you write that while you fall off a cliff, you only bump your head in to a ceiling but economically the ceiling has the capacity to deliver far more damage. you are talking like my friend steve kornacki here. what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount of leverage and interconnected with everything else and sort of see what happened in 2008. it's also this issue of, you know, who gets paid? if you start to have to say maybe soldiers g
something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a limit we're forced to look at that number and realize how much we're borrowing. >> if that logic were true, they wouldn't have passed any of the spending stuff. first off, two countries in the world, united states and sweden who have a debt ceiling. people got rid of it, because what jonas is saying, it's political. and the second issue is, i don't want our economy held hostage and run by washington, right now, the buffoons in congress have more power over the economy with the, you know, stupid idea. if we give them this type of power we've hurt ourselves, kick the power away as far as i'm concerned. >> isn't this a dangerous way to enforce fiscal discipline? shouldn't we be doing it because we have a budget and stick with it like most americans have to? >> well, we do have a budget, but the budgets aren't being passed. they're not being adopted. look, anything that keeps the focus on reducing debt and d
to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. they even entertained the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it's absurd. republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. >> as you would expect, republicans quick to respond. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said in part the president and his allies need to get serious about spending, and the debt-limit debate is the perfect time for it. republican congresswoman marsha blackburn of tennessee took it a step further, suggesting her party was ready for a government shutdown. >> we're going to look
in nearly the past three years, and the whole fiasco added to the deficit. host: after the news conference yesterday, house speaker john boehner responded with this statement -- " what are your thoughts on this? if the debt ceiling negotiable. some quick comments -- remember, you can post your comments on twitter. the first phone call is from maryland, a democratic caller, jill. caller: i don't believe the debt ceiling is negotiable. it is kind of ridiculous that the money is already owed, so why are we not going to pay what is owed to other people? if people have made investments, the bills have to be paid. i find it ridiculous that people in congress don't want to pay what is already owed. it does not make sense. host: here is the wall street journal this morning. caller: well, if you're asking me if that's true, i think there definitely needs to be somewhat of a compromise as far as spending cuts, but that is not an easy issue, because spending cuts mean job losses. it's not an easy thing to say a president will say we will stop paying the bills too. so there has to be compromised rehab
and broadening opportunity for the middle class is shrinking our deficits in a balanced and responsible way. and for nearly two years now, i've been fighting for such a plan. one that would reduce our deficits by $4 trillion over the next decade. which would stabilize our debt, and our deficit in a sustainable way for the next decade. that would be enough not only to stop the growth of our debt relative to the size of our economy, but it would make it manageable. so it doesn't crowd out the investments we need to make in people and education and job training and science and medical research, all the things that help us grow. step by step, we've made progress towards that goal. over the past two years i've signed into law about $1.4 trillion in spending cuts. two weeks ago i signed into law more than $600 billion in new revenue. by making sure the wealthiest americans begin to pay their fair share. when you add the money that we'll save in interest payments on the debt, all together that adds up to a total of about $2.5 trillion in deficit reduction over the past two years. not counting the
, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> the metaphors, jim, whether it's a family not paying the credit card bills, the president saying it's like dining and dashing at a restaurant, the only thing is we've got two weeks of respite and then we're off to the races again. >> after the civil war, there was tremendous partisanship in this country. a tumultuous time. the level of bipartisanship. there's such hatred that you can't get in a room. it never seems like obama gets in the room. biden got in the room beforehand. but look, everybody hates each other down there. it's exactly the opposite of what you would expect from a respected nation. it makes us look mickey mouse. i don't blame fitch. look, we have to pay bills, the constitution says it, but everybody doesn't seem
is not the deficits, but the fact that federal government collects 2.5 trillion. with the consumption or sales tax, this is the lone way we can limit how much money gets to the federal government and more businesses would be created and jobs and the federal government would not be penalizing our work and we would get more work and jobs. >> sounds good to me, rick, to you? >> here's the problem. i will not touch incredibly regressive nature of this. >> by regressive, it hits the poor more than the rich? >> exactly. put the brakes on a economy, imagine what happens here. first of all, to keep the revenue neutral, you are looking at a 20r 30 percent sales tax . add that to the state tax that governor gindale wants to add. no one will be able to afford it or go shopping. >> steve, this is a country of experiment ground . the states experiment with things that might do better. >> there are 9 states who don't have a personal income tax. you compare the state of vermont with the state of new hampshire. new hampshire has no sales tax or personal income tax and does better over time than the neighboring st
in an administration, did any of the deficit deals that we did, were those occurring at the same time as debt ceiling raises? >> they all do. >> we've heard that that -- i'm not going to accept that, not going to do it, not the way it's done. we're not a banana republic. how many can you recall, deficit deals were affected? it's something that's done, is it not? >> standard operating procedure. we all learned about the power of the purse of democracy. back then, it used to be taxes because they couldn't borrow. now, you can borrow. taxes aren't the only strains what government can spend. the parliament and congress has to be able to control the borrowing level. that's government 101. >> is zit in g-- dis in geingeny we've already been to the restaurant and trying to stiff the bill? it wasn't the $800 stimulus or any of the things the president's done, it's congress? >> first, you're raising debt limits to cover future spending. fact one is the money hasn't been spent yet. that's not true. >> it's sort of disassembling. >> that's a good word for it. the second fact is congress hasn't approved the mone
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will reyour trillion dollar deficit spending each year 5%, folks. so they gave them that. what does he come back with? we want more. i want more tax hikes which aren't going to do anything to calm the debt and the spending. he is not willing, and so i think back to what joe said. i think marco said this too. small business owners and large corporations can't trust the president. that's why they're sitting on top of all this cash and not hiring. that doesn't bode well. neil: marco, quickly you see nothing to dissuade you or some of your colleagues from getting off that? >> businesses are still growing, neil but they're not growing as much as they otherwise would. and that uncertainty has a very real trickle down effect. i'll use us as an example. we're building a new gio pronto restaurant right now. i would have loved to borrow the total investment from people like joe and gold coast banking. no way i'm going to do that based on uncertainty. i go borrow less than i would otherwise need. i do things like b refurbished equipment than new. that doesn't help manufacturing sector. i manage the pr
on the table. >> ironically would probably increase our deficit. it is absurd. >> the president won't back down on the debt ceiling or on gun safety. >> the pressing issue of gun reform. >> exactly one month after the tragedy at sandy hook. >> if there is a step we can take that will save even one child we should take that step. >> gun violence continues to wreak its deadly toll each day. >> this is a moment to act. >> congress is incapable of passing an assault weapon ban. >> everybody is totally upset by it. >> what makes sense? what works? >> this is a moment to act. >> this is a promise to turn the conversation into actions. >> if there is a step we can take that will save even one child, we should take that step. >> the lecturer in chief returns to the east room of the white house today to explain something to congressional republicans that previous presidents have not had to explain to congress. >> i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay fo
term deficit reduction plan." you will recall that standard & poor's did downgrade the u.s. debt last august after the debt ceiling was raised amidst 11th hour suspense. it was blamed on bringmanship to use the debt creeling to get spending cuts. s&p did cite the melodrama as part of the reason but placed emphasis on the view that the debt ceiling deal fall short in what our view would be necessary to stabilize the government median term debt dynamics. translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has already passed. the laws that it's already passed. republicans are saying it's about borrowing authority. essentially running up the country's credit card. >> exa
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. leading republicans are saying without a budget that includes a real plan to reduce the deficit, the nation faces the threat of a credit downgrade. bret? >> bret: mike, thank you. sticking with the tet and deficit issues, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are talking about what to do in a worse case scenario. the government not having enough money to pay its bills. chief political correspondent carl cameron reports on a possible short-term solution that is getting a long look by some people. >> with the white house refusing to negotiate spending cuts and the democrat controlled senate unlikely to pass a budget as part of a long-term deal to raise the tet ceiling, pat toomey of pennsylvania is reintroducing legislation he says will avert the u.s. from defaulting on the debt. >> we must prioritize three categories of payments. one would be debt service, interest on the debt so we would haven't default. a second would be social curt payment to seniors so they don't worry whether the check is coming or not. the third is pay for the active duty military personnel. >> the white hou
the bills, we cannot cut the deficit or debt at all. neil: very well put. the mr. moore stuff i could do without, but well put. thank you very much. >> thank you, neil. >> thank you. neil: louisiana,mented -- wanted to cut the state incomes tax, and now nebraska's governor state's income tax. what's happening here? what nebraska governor hopes signals politicians are seeing the light, and then, drones are seen just about everything you do. they are in the air. they are under the sea. they are drowning out your privacy everywhere. ♪ what's next? he's going to apply testosterone to his underarm. axiron, the only underarm treatment r low t, can restore testosterone levels back to normal in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in women may occur. report these signs and symptoms to your doctor if they occur.
the deficit or debt at all. neil: very well put. the mr. moore stuff i could do without, but well put. thank you very much. >> thank you, neil. >> thank you. neil: louisiana,mented - want to cut the state incomes tax, and now nebraska's governor state's income tax. what's happening here? what nebraska governor hopes signals politicians are seeing the light, and then, drones are seen just about everything you do. they are in the air. they are under the sea. they are drowning out your privacy everywhere. ♪ [ male announcer ] now many humana medicare plans come with a little extra help in the kitchen. in a first of its kind partnership with walmart, humana medicare plans now include 5% savings on great for you healthier foods at walmart! it's part of the vitality healthyfood program... and one more way humana medicare can help you choose what's good for your health and your wallet. so you can spend a little less money... and spend a little more time sharing what you know with the people who matter most. humana. ♪ neil: cornhusker playing tax buster. the republican governor is not showing ta
, but $120 billion a year. our deficit is 1.2. all they're talking about 10% of the problem. the people don't understand. they think the 1.2 is equal to the deficit. it's only 10% of the deficit. my solution is to raise taxes by $300 billion and cut spending by $900. -- by $900 billion. i find the american public is not very smart. host: you know, that is -- the educational question is a fundamental question. here's what happens. let's talk in practical terms and not a theoretical terms. when paul ryan came out with his budget, he had some substantial changes in medicare and medicaid. over time they would've been phased in. no one over the age of 55 would've been affected by them, giving you time to really prepare for your retirement. the changes were relatively minor in the short run, but compounded over the next 20 years would've made a real difference in our indebtedness. that is not the kind of debate we had last year either at the presidential or senatorial congressional level. it was this. people want to change medicare want to push ganny. off a people who want to change medicaid are
, the nation we need to rebuild is our own. we have to grow our economy and shrink our deficits. we have to create new jobs and boost family incomes. we have to fix our infrastructure and our immigration system. we have to protect our planet from the destructive effects of climate change. we need to protect our children from the horrors of gun violence. host: the president in his weekly address, touching on some of the things that will come up in his state of the union address, scheduled for next february. this point and our twitter page -- from "the new york times sunday magazine, an interview with president shimon peres of israel. let me share with you when -- one wuote -- in the end, if nothing works, the president will use military power against iran. i am sure of it. that is an interview with shimon peres, the discussion of u.s.- israeli relations and the situation in iran. that is available online as well. let's go back to your calls on the issue of congress being bypassed to raise the debt limit. the hill newspaper, a letter written by senate democrats -- they sent a letter to the
going to reduce the deficit. he knew that wasn't true and the deficit has gone through the roof and he said this to congress, deficit has gone through the roof since then. so he really -- there are a lot of republicans and one democrat, but there are a lot of republicans that didn't like his testimony. his testimony was false. and we'll see what happens. he's going to probably get the -- he's going to get it. a lot of things aren't being stopped. the republicans have not found a good way to stop things. and i'm not sure necessarily he should get stopped. this was the president's choice. the president did win the election. the president does have the right to make appointments and this is one of his appointments. but what he told congress was totally false and probably knowingly false. >> steve: i'm sure when he's called before that senate committee he's gog have an explanation of what he meant then and what he means now. >> they were tough statements and terrible statements and they couldn't have been more wrong. >> steve: yeah. turns out to be that case. all right. mr. trump, thank y
important thing he could do is tax reform and deficit control. if he could put those two things together, that'd be bigger than health care. >> steve: you know what? if he were to work with the republicans talking reform-- >> i think that's a lock for next year. >> steve: well, he wants to do something about it. some republicans want to do something about it, remember last time with health care, the republicans had a bunch of ideas and the democrats shut them out completely. maybe this time bipartisan. >> brian: that's not the harry reid i know. >> alisyn: let's get to other stories in the headlines, late last noos night, two drones strikes, at least three of the bodies were burned beyond recognition. the death toll could rise in the hostage crisis at a gas plant in algeria. many were killed including one american. two americans are still missing and the crisis ended yesterday when the algerian army attacked the plant killing two militants. president obama said this is attack is another reminder of the threat posed by al-qaeda and other violent extremist groups in north africa. and the p
states right now is very disproportionately chirping. cities cannot and budget deficits. what happens when you something like the great recession quite cities all over the country having to scale back because they can't run budget deficits. exactly which you don't want to do a scaled-back local employment during the economic downturn. this is a huge thing. the department of justice program provides grants to local law enforcement to hire more police. the program could easily be 20 or 30 times its billion dollars a year size. it would be one of the most productive things the federal government could do to make progress in this area. >> we agree. i think what the professor just outlined in the latter part of what he said is go after illegal gun markets. were talking about people balanced or selling guns to felons, people engaged in gun sales that are illegal under any interpretation of the law and go after criminal people with records who are carrying guns illegally. that's been done in cooperation in chicago. i think the important thing is to find ways to go after the criminals here. b
they should have been showing it off. if they're so into cutting the deficit and they think spend issing the problem, show it off. let's see what you got. they don't want to do it. >> what i don't understand about this is why if you believe that ultimately they're going to have to cave, why don't we just let them cave? why do we need to create all of these other sort of -- as i said wack-a-do arrangements so this can happen? >> it's all leverage, right? if the sequester, that deal is not great for the republicans or that battle is not great for them because that disproportionately hurts republican industries, which is to say the defense industry, which is not to say that there aren't plenty of democrats whose bread is not being buttered by defense contractors, but if you look down at the breakdown of sequester cuts, defense gets hit with $55 billion in cuts, but they are much more severe, and as dave wood from the huffington post has said, it's like taking a meat clever to the defense industry. the nondefense cuts, 55 billion, same amount, but social security, retirement, veterans medica
. >> and the always colorful senator alan simpson is with us, no bigger advocate of getting america's debt and deficit under control, but does he think the debt ceiling is the leverage that republicans should use to get that done? he'll join us exclusively, and i know you're going to ask him about that. >> absolutely. >> let's check out the action on the street right here. here's how things are shaping up with less than an hour to go. the dow jones industrial average hitting basically at the highs of the day. had been down around 60 points earlier. talking about a gain of 20 points on the blue chip average. fractional move at 13,527. nasdaq chart pattern looks similar. take a look though it's negative. down about nine points on the nasdaq, a quarter points lower and the s&p 500 looks like this. similar chart pattern as the dow up a fraction on the standard & poor's but still that's the high of the afternoon. let's get more on the markets in today's "closing bell" exchange by hank smith and steve from comcast funds and our own rick santelli. >> hello. >> good to see you guys. >> thank you so much for j
they need to put inshunes on a gun like you do a car. host: so often we focus on the u.s. debt or deficit, we have exceeded now the dealt limit of $16.4 trillion. you can see in the upper left-hand side the debt clock. difficult choices on the debt if the u.s. think it's ceiling. the piece points out by mid february or early march the united states could face an unprecedented default unless it raises the debt ceiling. that was from tim geithner. further into the body of the "new york times" story i want to is share with you some of the numbers "the new york times" points out today. that could happen as early as february 15, if that happens by february 15 or early march, according to the by partisan policy center in analysis of what the government expects is $8 billion in revenue that day but it has $52 billion in spending that day, $6.8 billion in tax refunds, $3.5 in federal salaries, and $1.5 ode to military contractors and other commitments. consider again that day on february 15 f that is the day we reach the limit, the country would not have enough money to pay the bond holders let a
. germany's problem is the reverse. it's been running a huge surplus which is the deficit of the other countries of europe that they cannot finance. >> correct. >> that is the essence of the european crisis. >> but in a global environment -- >> the whole question with respect to the u.s. is whether we can sustain our current account relationship with the rest of the world. and particularly with china. and that's a decision that the rest of the world will make. it's completely -- >> james, are we -- we added a new entitlement, obama care, which some, i don't know what that's going to cost. there's some groups, i guess they would call them, if they're too conservative, but trillions and trillions of dollars of additional entitlements that we've just layered over the entitlements we already have. are we at the right level now? is this the perfect level of promises we've made? or would you even go above where we are right now? >> well, i think the problem that we have is that our health care sector is bloated by this enormous private insurance system that we have. this sort of mixed bag of
the american economy. >> steve: here is somebody who dealt with enormous deficits firsthand, the former governor of the golden state of california, arnold schwarzenegger. good morning to you. >> good morning. nice to be here again. >> brian: he sends a warning to the republicans should they back off or take on the president? >> first of all, i think i find it interesting that when you want to have more money, if you go to any financial institution, they say look, i can't pay my bills, i need more money. they want to see their payment plan. how are you going to live responsible from here on? then you can get more money. so i don't understand that why this should not be a part of the discussion because it ought to be. i think america should not just blindly go in there and keep spending money that we don't have. every single day we're spending more and more money. every year it's like $1.3 trillion more than we have and then it gets added to the debt and that's why this short period of time we have seen the debt go up. >> steve: we have a live picture of the debt now. all right, governor.
. that california is nowhere near balancing the budget. they have had multibillion-dollar deficits in the past. what i like to do, some of my friends who don't believe taxes matter including the guy in the white house, i say if you don't think taxes matter and affect behavior, explain to me, bill, why it is there has been about 500,000 new jobs over the last 10 years created in texas with no income tax and where california lost about 500,000 jobs? there is lot of factors but i think taxes are one of them. bill: 13% for california. if that is the case they leapfrogged hawaii. matt, give you the last point. if bobby jindal gets his way do folks in louisiana have a better chance at tracking jobs? >> absolutely yes. look at call to, what jerry brown is doing is short-term fix. bringing money by increasing taxes but the long-term effect jobs will leave, people will leave and hurt the economy long term. bill: matt, thank you. steve moore, thank you as well. e-mail is viewers on home on twitter that follow me, @billhemmer, file your one word, not one word, one line. martha: one word is
mean they are very concerned about the debt to gdp and the budget deficit, which are running at roughly 101% and 8 to 10%. we kind of look like spain looks right now. if anything we might be worse. but what i think happens is the republicans have two shots. march 1st is the sequester where they can challenge or what we think will happen they will wait until the march 27th continuing resolution and they are going to press the president for spending reductions which is absolutely necessary if we want to maintain at least two of our three aaa credit ratings. >> andy, i just find it amazing we now have a culture where it doesn't matter what you said a couple of years ago, even when you're the head guy running the country. we all know, raid or heard and today was the notable quotable in the "journal" when the president was a senator was a different guy when it comes to his interpretation of voting or not voting for the debt ceiling. but i happened in my opinion agree with you on your interpretation of the republicans and the retreat. i think that principle might be a good thing. centerpiece
to finance the government deficit, buying a lot of government bonds and at some point that is going to come apart and it might come apart, might come apart in a fashion that is rather like august of 2007 where things seem to be going smoothly and then all of a sudden it all falls apart and the question is do we have adequate contingency plans in place should that happen? >> right. >> i fear we do not. >> before we let you go, when these transcripts come out do they evoke any memories for you good or bad about these meetings? >> oh, well they evoke lots of memories. i haven't seen the transcripts of course. i look forward to reviewing it because that was my last full year in office. it was a wonderful experience to be there. i learned an awful lot. and certainly one of the things i reflect on is the various points that we missed that i missed and my colleagues missed. >> william poole, former st. louis fed president, thank you so much for your time. steve, thanks to you for sticking around. >> my pleasure. >> meantime morgan stanley trading sharply higher after reporting results this morning
ground sell. especially with issues like debt and deficit dealing with what ever happens on gun control, they have a big heavy docket already. there are a lot of reasons this could still stumble. >> on the issue of guns and gun violence, the story on -- available on line with the headline in -- we asked him, what will pass? guest: i wish i knew. i would hope we could close the gun show loophole. which could limit the size of magazines. i would hope that we would have background checks the same for everybody and actually have some teeth and took them. host: what would the senate passed? what will house republican support with a twist on guns? guest: let's begin with the process that he will hold a hearing. he will hold a hearing and try to see what consensus can develop out of there. he is critical to this. the lot would come through his committee. the speech he game at georgetown on wednesday. i came away from their unsure of how far he is willing to go. he said he would be willing to take a look at an assault weapons ban, which he voted for in 1994. he said he told an interesting story
the debt limit with deficit reduction. nothing could be further from the truth. in the past three decades the only thing that has worked in washington to get the spending under control is to tie debt spending to a limit. gramm-rudman. it is a tool that can and should be used. >>gretchen: he seems to think it has nothing to do with spending. what would be your counter to that? >> it has everything to do with spending. again, it's been the most effective tool to be used to try to get washington to finally begin to tighten its belt and do the right thing. if we don't, the country does become bankrupt. some would grew it already -- some would argue it already is, as we saw in that hbo -- hank paulson looked good. >>gretchen: he wasn't playing himself. unfortunately we're out of time, but this discussion could go on and on. >> the american people want us to deal with this issue, and this has been the time and place to do it. we ought to do it in the next few weeks. >>gretchen: senator, great to see you. more "fox & friends" more "fox & friends" straight ahead.t jack's cereal. [ jack ] what's f
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